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mrrickbear
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posted March 26, 2010 10:20 AM      Profile for mrrickbear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Spending a trillion dollars on something that costs a hundred and thirty billion sounds like a bargain to you guys?

Half the people want it repealed. I think the constitutionality of this will be challenged successfully very soon. How can the government require you to buy a product for the protection of yourself? If you don't buy that product, you will be fined and still not have the product. Lots of legal issues in this pie.

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posted March 23, 2010 02:28 AM      Profile for TheGame     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a huge victory for President Obama. Democratic Presidents as far back as Truman have been trying to pass health care reform.

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posted March 22, 2010 09:31 PM      Profile for Saneguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that that it looks like Obama's pet project, healthcare reform, is going to become the law of the land, his second year looks to be a lot more interesting. Honestly, the jury is still out on whether or not this plan will do any good as most people probably couldn't tell you what the hell it is anyway. But I think this does count as a major victory in Obama's favor, even if down the road it might do more harm than good for the nation. However, there are enough people against the bill that it can be trouble for the Democrats in general. Congressional elections are just around the corner and I suspect a few Dems are going to lose their seats because of this.

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posted March 22, 2010 09:21 PM      Profile for Romer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes we can

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mrrickbear
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posted February 23, 2010 11:10 AM      Profile for mrrickbear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
James, Obama gives up too easily? Thank God for small favors. He's already increased the debt four-fold. He is speading money when there is none. He has no concept of what he is doing.

I will never forget his speech: "America is the greatest country on Earth. Come and help me change it." Change it into what? A third-world country?

Okay. I could Obama bash all day long and that wouldn't have any real input here. Obama has some basically good ideas, but no real way of implimenting them. He sees a problem and throws money at it.

For instance: Haiti. Port au Prince was literally destroyed during the earthquake. Okay. Let's examine this. You have a country where they don't build for earthquakes, mainly because they aren't in an earthquake zone. Well, stuff happens. Now, we send in people. The inept UN, led by the French -- you know how I feel there -- have food and water lined up on the tarmack and it is not being distributed or used. The UN workers and USAID are strongly anti-American. Fine. You don't like us, who needs it.

I've been for getting out of the UN for twenty years. I'm getting side-tracked here. Obama sends in troops, people and money and let's the UN figure out what to do. I'm sorry. They don't do anything. Why are we sending our tax money to Haiti? If charities and churches and private organizations wish to do so, fine. Why are we required to give them a dime of taxpayer money, especially when we have NO control over it?

Next: Healthcare. You have 15% of the people in America without healthcare insurance. Most of those are either young and healthy or are qualified for state programs that already exist. All the BS about people dying because they have no insurance is Bullshit. Show me one death certificate that says a person died because they didn't have health insurance. By law, if you go to an emergency room, they are required to treat you regardless of your ability to pay.

Instead of tearing down an entire system and bringing in some ill-run cash sucking government megalith, why don't we work on the entire problem one step at a time. Start with tort reform so doctors can afford malpractice insurance. Get low income people a high deductable insurance that covers catastrophic health problems. They are very inexpensive and would cure -- not all -- but many of the ills of the current system. People need to take responsibility for their situations.

Since the 1960s there has been a war on poverty. We've spent one TRILLION dollars on it and poverty is still here at the same level. We have taken incentives for people to work away from them and allows these people to live in heavily subsidized housing with energy assistance, food stamps and a cash allotment. Instead of helping these people to become productive, we have crippled them economically.

Welfare is more or less a state problem with a lot of federal interference. The feds give money to the states and mandate how it is to be spent. Therefore you have a neverending cycle of bureaucracy.

Obama talks very little about immigration. I'm all for legal immigration. However, I would bring all but 10,000 troops home from Iraq and put them on the southern border with orders to shoot to kill anyone sneaking into this country.

I know. I know. There is that cold-blooded bastard talking about killing people again. Well, let's put it this way: If you were sneaking into Mexico from Guatemala, you would be shot by the federalies. Why is it so bad to use there procedures here? We don't need more illegals here. Before you talk about the fruit pickers, that only accounts for 2% of them. Temporary work visas would be a better situation.

Why so harsh? Well, they cost us many more tax dollars than we receive from them in wage taxes; 27% of our prisons are full of illegals and you have to commit a crime over and above the FELONY of being here illegally to go to prison. The hospitals on our southern border are going broke dealing with the illegals. They sneak in and want free healthcare. Don't they know this isn't Canada?

Then there is the welfare incentive for them to be here. We pay many of them to sit on their ass and have anchor babies. Don't get me started there.

Cap and Trade. Well, let's tax everyone because of global warming. It is junk science. The earth warms up the earth cools down. There was an article that talked about the changes in the fishing and the lack of icebergs and the like. The thing was that it was written in 1923. Global warming is cyclical. It always has been. Man's contribution is very small compared to cattle flatulance, which is the largest contributor to greenhouse gas. Don't get me wrong pollution is still bad.

Obama had high hopes on the global warming conference in Copenhagen. It turned into a joke. Sorry Mr. President.

I would say that other than spending a shitload of money on things that give us no return, he has been an abject failure.

George Soros got $2 billion US tax dollars to drill for oil in Brazil. Huh? George Soros has more money than just about anyone on the planet and we are giving him money to drill for oil in BRAZIL.

Obama gives large portions of stock from GM and Chrysler to the UAW, who doesn't want it and wants to sell it. Where is the precident for that?

Obama is about payola. The people that helped him become president are getting taxpayer dollars.

He targets the banks. Excuse me, Mr. President, but members of Congress and YOU got several banks in trouble when you forced them to lend money to people that couldn't pay it back. You and Congress created that problem.

James, I could go on and on, but this is lengthy and wordy enough for now.

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Saneguy
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posted February 18, 2010 10:04 PM      Profile for Saneguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's still too early to say if Obama's presidency is a success or failure. I think people got too caught up in the whole "Hope" and "Change" rhetoric and now they're starting to realize Obama is really more of a "business as usual" politician, which I'm sure doesn't sit well with a lot of folks. But I have to disagree with you when you say he gives up too easily. If anything, he's a bit stubborn when it comes to some of his pet projects like health care and the stimulus package. He needs to make some compromises if he wants to get things done.

In spite of all the setbacks, I think he's doing okay for a first year president. People may point at his approval rating dipping below 50% as proof he's failing, but they forget Ronald Reagan's was as low as 35% after two years. And like Reagan, Obama inherited a whole buttload of shit to deal with. It took more than eight years to get to the state we're in now, it's not realistic to expect some guy to come in and change things in a year's time.

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posted February 17, 2010 05:19 PM      Profile for Real Chosen 1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well it's been just over a year since President Obama was sworn in, riding high on a mix of enthusiasm and cult of personality so how do we think he has got on?

As a liberal prob more to the left than anyone else on this forum I really hoped he would make a good year of it, despite me being a Hillary supporter, alas I feel somewhat disappointed.

Part of the reason that I wanted Hillary to win the nomination was not because of all her views, for we differ on some things, but the fact that I believed that she would beat her way through all opposition to actually get stuff done, alas Obama just looks like he gives up too easily.

Perhaps it is early days and he will come good and be an outstanding President, but the fact that he hasn't made a greater success of the first year of his Presidency, which is the one year that should be where he has the most power is telling and hopefully year 2 will involve a little more progressive success.

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