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FaIIenOnHeII
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posted April 26, 2010 10:12 PM      Profile for FaIIenOnHeII     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So here's an odd question. In the Sting/Styles vs Two Jeff's match, it was NO DQ anything goes right? It also had two refs right? So why is it that the Ref actually had to stop Jeff Hardy from coming into the ring because he didn't see the tag. This was after about five minutes of all four men beating each other. Now A.) what was the Ref going to do if Hardy didn't leave the ring? DQ him in a NO DQ match? B.) What the hell was the other ref doing and watching during this time?

Also so the Ric Flair/Abyss Feud Flair is the heel right? So why does he get the last word in the opening promo that actually makes him seem more like a heel and at the end the two faces have to step on his throat to pull the ring off. Not very face like of them was it?

But besides that not a bad show, def a lot better than normal. But TNA just needs to polish up these little glitches in their story telling.

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posted April 23, 2010 02:57 PM      Profile for breakdown     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem with their announce team is that it's noticeable and distracting. The core idea of a GOOD announce team is to disappear into the action. You hear the things they say, you pick up what they point out, but you never stop and go, "What the hell is he talking about?" No one seems to remember that. Now, there's room for comedy in it, but not constantly.

AJ, as Ravel said, is as natural a babyface as it gets. The crowd doesn't buy him as a bad guy. When Flair brought out the useless whores to surround him, the crowd chanted something along the lines of "You're married." AJ as a babyface champ puts asses in the seat. He's undersized, he's flashy, and the crowd wants nothing more than to be behind him.

I don't dislike RVD. I enjoy watching him work, but aside from some casual interest, he isn't gonna pull TNA up from the gutter. It's the same drivel people have said every time someone new comes in. There's no Moses to lead them from the desert here, and if there were, he'd be someone who was already working for them.

You can't move a house from a fresh, solid foundation and sit it on an old one that's crumbling and then expect to not only make it last, but build onto it. There's no long term planning for the promotion. None. You can say what you want, I know better. They're stumbling in the dark attempting to put in a light bulb rather than simply finding the light switch.

Case in point. At the Pay Per View, you had the main event wannabe wargames atrocity of a match. You have the face team take the advantage, because, well, who doesn't want to see the good guys outnumber the bad guys. Then, to top it off, you have the face team win by having a heel come out and turn on the heel team to help the face team. That's smart booking eh?

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posted April 23, 2010 02:22 PM      Profile for TheGame     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't mind Tenay when he worked for WCW and was part of a three man announcing team. I just don't think he has what it takes to be a lead announcer, especially someone who has to work with Tazz who is a step up from Don West but nothing really special either. He tends to ramble at times, get off track, stumble over some words, and repeat himself. JR and Cole always did a good job of covering up those faults, Tenay does not.

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posted April 23, 2010 09:49 AM      Profile for FaIIenOnHeII     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I think you may be the only person who enjoys Tenay's announcing. He's just not natural. He has that cheesey voice that Shiavone had in the late 80's in his WWF run.

As for the fight for TNA rings. I think it's funny that two TNA guys are fighting for WWE merchandise.

And Yeah Van Dam is a legend, and like I said so were many other names they've had before. TNA's inability to draw has nothing to do with their lack of big names or great talent. No it's their story telling. I mean how many times have AJ, Samoa Joe, Team 3D, and Beer money changed from face to heel to face to heel in the past two years? Seriously make up your mind. TNA just needs to come up with one set story line and let it play out before they change their minds. They try it for two weeks and just jump to something else. It doesn't flow now does it make sense.

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posted April 23, 2010 06:09 AM      Profile for Ravel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem with JR and Russo dates back to a storyline in WCW, where they had Ferrara in late 99 dressed and acting like JR, in a character named Oklahoma, mocking Ross.

JR has the experience to work with the talent, and to my knowledge, theres no talent director in TNA. To my knowledge, and that is something that may smooth relations between the company, road agents, writers, and the talent.

But, Im not fond, of JR taking on the lead announcer role, in favor of Tenay, who has done a good job at the position, since DAY 1. Both would work well, in a similar way to WCW, where the 1st hour, would have announcing team, and the second would have the main team.

I dont think that AJ is not a big name. In todays scene, yes, he is a good name, he is recognised around the world. I think he is just being used in the wrong position. He aint a heel, nor a credible one. He is a face, period. From his size, to his moves, theres no way you can credibly use a guy doing fanstastic aerial moves, that will have the fans go "WOW" as a heel. Either you want them to cheer or boo.
But Van Dam is in another level. Van Dam is a legend, and that will draw attentions to the product.

You can see how they grew since he debuted. They had a 1.0 on their first Monday night, dropped to the 0.8s and got back at 1.0 and 1.1 when fans spread the word Hardy and Rob were there.

They are on the right direction yes. And dont bring up the "fight for the hall of fame ring". Its as stupid as having 2 grown up guys, acting like teenagers, promoting merchandise everyweek in backstage angles, beating up a midget week in and week out, running away from an army of midgets, and then accepting the midget to their team, as a mascott 2 weeks after they laid their finishers on him. Theres no sense in it. Problem is, if its TNA, people will point the failures and not the fun.

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posted April 23, 2010 01:57 AM      Profile for 21CenturyDigitalBoy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by FaIIenOnHeII:
Let's be honest we've seen a ton of shows like ECW before ECW and after ECW and not one of them could do what ECW did. Credit Heyman and his crew. But can Heyman do it again? Would Bischoff and Hogan let him try?

Well, from what I've been reading lately, Russo is getting burnt out being the head writer, and is asking for LESS control. If this is true, this would lead to a new head writer, and who better than Heyman if TNA REALLY wants to compete with the WWE? As for Bischoff and Hogan, I can't speak for them (Who of us here really CAN?!), but I'm sure they'll at least be interested in the idea.

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posted April 22, 2010 11:53 PM      Profile for FaIIenOnHeII     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is TNA is getting on the right road? AJ styles not selling tickets not a big name. But Van Dam is, but then again so was Angle and Sting.

I like the idea of Jim Ross and Taz announcing together again. I liked their chemistry, but I just can't stand Tenay's voice he truly is one of the reason's I can't sit through a whole episode of TNA. But Jim Ross will give TNA a big promotion feel. Jim Ross is one of those rare voices that can make a wrestler sound great even greater than he really is. So if this whole JR thing is true then if I were TNA I would do anything possible to get him.

We all know what Heyman can do. If given full creative control he can make any person a star in TNA. Well so we hope. I mean Heyman, who is one of my hero's, did make stars out of Tommy Dreamer, the Dudley's, Taz, RVD, Shane Douglas, Sabu, Raven etc. But then again only a dang fool couldn't make starts out of those guys. Heyman does have that ability to showcase the great parts of a promotion and hide it's weaknesses. He also knows how to not think like the competition or try to compete with the big boys but instead offer something completely different and make it a good show. Let's be honest we've seen a ton of shows like ECW before ECW and after ECW and not one of them could do what ECW did. Credit Heyman and his crew. But can Heyman do it again? Would Bischoff and Hogan let him try?

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posted April 21, 2010 06:13 PM      Profile for The Outsider     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like JR did have a meeting with TNA executives not too long ago. One of his main sticking points was that if he were to come to TNA, Vince Russo could no longer be a key member of the creative team. That's classic.

That would probably be the No. 1 thing for TNA to improve. Russo is garbage. How he gets half of the stuff on TV that he does is beyond me. And how he has a job after his terrible work history in both WWE and WCW is amazing.

Getting rid of Russo, then bringing in Jim Ross and Paul Heyman as the lead writer would be a huge positive step for TNA.

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It would be a huge get and upgrade for TNA if they could bring in Good Ol’ JR to save their horrendous announcing, but I can’t see him working for any wrestling company other than the WWE. So part of me thinks that he is asking for more than TNA is comfortable giving him. If they are smart (which is still up for debate) and are serious about wanting to bring him in then they should give him the control he is after.

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I read that too, but JR has blogged about it saying its completely false and expressed new things that will be revealed soon with WWE. He could just be denying it to keep it a surprise but the fact that he not only outright denied the claims but he expressed his specific desire to stay with WWE tells me that his heart lies with WWE.

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posted April 20, 2010 04:45 PM      Profile for 21CenturyDigitalBoy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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...awesome but it really irks me how the announcers just scream incoherently and expect that to make a match more exciting. Makes it more annoying.

Well, you MAY get an announcer change before the end of the year. I just read on Wrestlezone that... (drumroll please)... Good 'ol JR was recently in talks with TNA management. His contrat with the WWE is set to expire at the end of this month, and he's expressed the desire to not only announce, but help out with the talent backstage like he did in the WWE for many years. If this happens, it could be a big win for TNA, and a huge surprise for Impact viewers!

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posted April 20, 2010 02:28 PM      Profile for Ravel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I don’t really believe he is only there to cash a paycheck, but isn’t that what they all say? I am thinking that RVD’s reign as champion probably will not last that long. We’ll have to wait and see if I am right, but I get the impression that this was done more for shock value and surprise more than anything else. I’ll comment further after I watch Impact later today.


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He aint there just for the pay check. He actually wants to make history, and he has said it before, he wants to help TNA grow and reach that other level.

I don’t really believe he is only there to cash a paycheck, but isn’t that what they all say? I am thinking that RVD’s reign as champion probably will not last that long. We’ll have to wait and see if I am right, but I get the impression that this was done more for shock value and surprise more than anything else. I’ll comment further after I watch Impact later today.

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I watched the first hour of Impact and skimmed through the second. I think it sends a clear direct message when AJ Styles came out and said he was the best in TNA and RVD came out and said "maybe you were at one point but you're not anymore!" Then, Jeff Hardy came out and Hogan came out, made the match, winner gets AJ. And by the end of the night it was apparently obvious, RVD > AJ Styles.

What was with that Rob Terry idiot? He lifts one guy, gets totally winded and can't lift Wolfe so he awkwardly tosses him with Wolfe actually having to leap off him?

I loved. the Jeff/RVD match but it wasnt the epic match the fans there made it be. The match just starts and they start chanting "this is awesome!" Totally waters down that chant.

Why does TNA have to have blood every show?

The diva...errr knockouts match was terrible. I thought Daphney and the beautiful people got along? Wasn't she an honorary member a few weeks back? Now she's a face I guess? And ODB, ugh. The ending was insanely bad. It was obvious lurch missed the "spray in the face" spot the first time, since they went right back to the exact same thing again!!

Also, what was the point in having Team Hogan with Rob Terry no less...totally destroy and bury Team Flair...again?

AJ/RVD was again...awesome but it really irks me how the announcers just scream incoherently and expect that to make a match more exciting. Makes it more annoying.

I love RVD and am happy he is the champion...I just don't get why they had to destroy AJ to do it. Plus, the way RVD kept saying "I know I have my friend Jeff supporting me" makes it obvious Jeff is going to turn on him so where does this leave AJ? Pope?

Samoa Joe got kidnapped by Hogan/Easy E...so he can be their bitch?

See, TNA has lots of good things but the terrible things stick out like a sore thumb. Way too hard to ignore. Sad.

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I don't believe everything I hear. I just know RVD as champ isn't putting asses in the seats and it's not giving support to the guys that carried them this fucking far.

I like RVD, always enjoyed him in the ring as he brings a unique skillset with him. However, he's an attraction, not a main draw. His name carries a little fan interest, so he might get an extra one or two viewers off this, but I don't like them burying AJ, and like it or not, that's what they've been doing. As it were, RVD wrestled 2 matches in one night and still went over the champ. AJ offered no heel resistance to losing his belt, nothing cheap, no win at all costs attitude, and then sat there crying as the show closed with RVD's confetti dropping from the ceiling.

Also, where were the band? Huh??? How about MMG? Kazarian? Team 3D? Oh, but we saw the return of ODB. That makes up for it.

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